My body defies science, or else everyone lies.

Ok what is it with this idea that you are getting enough sleep when you can wake up without an alarm?  Who does that?  Maybe if I set my alarm for 11am!  Even when I go to bed early, and set the alarm for 8 – 9 hours later, the alarm always wakes me up.  What is WITH you people and your freakish lack of need for alarm clocks?  That’s why they make alarm clocks!  Because we need them!  Perhaps if I never had a class or meeting before 2pm then I wouldn’t need an alarm clock.  But seriously!  Getting 8 – 9 hours of sleep is NO guarantee that I will then wake up at the right time.  Ha ha.  I laugh upon your alarm-clock-not-needing!  [#2 does not usually use alarm clocks, and even when she does use them, she usually wakes up before they go off.] [#1 sticks out her tongue at #2.]

I *always* feel groggy when I get up.  And there is nothing wrong with my thyroid [#2, using her armchair internet skillz, suspects it’s a difficult to diagnose thyroid problem], I get plenty of vitamin D, I exercise several times per week (which only makes me MORE exhausted, but that’s a separate post).  If I was pulled over on my way to work, I would fail a field sobriety test because I am uncoordinated and usually sleepy at that hour.  I can’t even reliably touch my finger to my nose when stone-cold sober, and I do drive sleepy.  I know I shouldn’t.  But there’s no other way to get to work!  Or, if I’m awake when going TO work, I’m very exhausted when coming home, which leaves the same problem.

Who’s with me?!?!?!?!?

52 Responses to “My body defies science, or else everyone lies.”

  1. Comradde PhysioProffe Says:

    Not me! I haven’t used an alarm clock since high school!

  2. graduateliving Says:

    Me too! I’d love to start weaning myself off caffeine, but my two-cup morning habit is the only thing that makes me even remotely functional in the morning. On the rare occasion I’ll wake up right before the alarm (since our alarm clock is the same time six days a week) but even then I’m so groggy I can’t find the snooze button when it finally does go off. I completely got screwed out of “morning person” genes…

  3. karifur Says:

    Not to get all WebMD but have you ever done a sleep study? The things you’re describing all fit me perfectly as well, and I have sleep apnea. the CPAP machine has made a hugh difference to my quality of sleep.
    Though I do still need an alarm to get me up most days. I actually have 3 alarms set on my phone, in case I turn one off accidentally (which has happened more than once). However, the cpap has helped me to no longer feel like a zombie all morning

    • nicoleandmaggie Says:

      I don’t have apnea; my partner would tell me :-)
      He has it super-bad and has a machine, so we know about that stuff. For years I told him it bugged me until he finally went and got it treated. Thanks, though. I do have 2 alarm clocks, like you.

  4. GMP Says:

    I can’t get up without an alarm either, but then again I am constantly sleep-deprived so that’s no surprise. Even when I do get 8-9 hours, I always really need more (if I let myself nap in the afternoon, it’s 4 hours easily). For me, it may be that I am a bit anemic and I know that I have low blood pressure (coffee helps), so that probably contributes to grogginess (my thyroid is fine too).

    However, all throughout high school I woke up without an alarm, and I think regular schedule is key — not just getting enough hours, but also going to bed at the same time and getting up at the same time every day (I had evening volleyball practice every day and went to bed at 12, woke up at 7). Then you start waking up without an alarm, I see that my kids do that too — enough sleep & a very regular schedule. Or maybe it all has to do with being young?

    • Debbie M Says:

      That’s how it works for me–when I sleep enough and at regular hours, I generally wake up right before my alarm. But I still use one. Sometimes I have to move my clock to another place or I’ll just turn it off and go back to sleep. Normally I’m somewhere In between.

      I take alarm clocks everywhere – overnight visits, vacation travel, camping–any time I don’t want to miss things.

      I don’t do coffee (it’s too bitter) or soda (it’s too expensive), though I do prefer a quick, liquid breakfast in the morning (chocolate milk). I’m not really a morning person, at least not an early morning person–later morning hours are my most productive. I often want a nap in the afternoon, except that I feel worse after naps. I’m not a night owl, either, though I get a second wind if I stay up too late.

      In general, I like to get up early, stay up late, and get enough sleep, so I have to settle for just 2 out of three. And it’s not always the same two.

  5. MineralPhys Says:

    I don’t use an alarm clock. I wake up pretty much when I want, and sometimes way too early. I do try to get enough sleep –which can vary from 7 to almost 9 hours, depending. I am definitely groggy in the morning until I have my coffee. I use an alarm clock only if I have to make a morning flight.

  6. Kellen Says:

    I seem to wake up pretty early on weekends naturally, but only because I have to wake up at 6am all week, so my body is pretty sure it’s time to get up by 8am.
    I found that getting in the habit of eating breakfast every morning is a big part of my ability to get out of bed, since I wake up and feel hungry more than sleepy right then.
    I use an alarm clock to wake up for work though, since I never get enough sleep to wake up naturally… sigh.

  7. bogart Says:

    Six or so years ago, I replaced my alarm clock with a kid. This new and untested device came with certain sleep-deprivation components early on but now mostly works about as needed (I do use an alarm clock for special occasions). There is an unfortunate absence of snooze button, though a few days in to the new schedule I am observing a reasonably (not perfectly) good response to the information that summer vacation comes with later sleep AND wake times.

    PSA in case anyone is unaware: a decade ago, the American Assoc. of Endocrinologists (among others) recommended that the upper limit of the reference range for TSH be reduced to 3.0 (or 3.5? I forget). Even today, not all doctors (or labs) are aware of this. Also of course TSH is an imperfect measure of thyroid function and won’t catch every problem, blah blah blah. So #2 may have a point, but — I do like to play a doctor on the internet, but am not in fact qualified. So.

    I typically need/use an alarm clock, though this has gotten less true as I’ve gotten older (!). I may have gotten better about getting to bed at a reasonably hour (from a lousy baseline, though), and I have gotten my hypothyroidism diagnosed and treated. As a kid, I could wake up (unalarmed) if it was for something I wanted to do, i.e., horseshow (even at 4 in the morning) and not otherwise. This drove my mother nuts. When my son recently got into video games and I told him that he could play from when he got up in the mornings on weekends until when I got up, as long as he was quiet, he got up the subsequent Saturday at 5:20 (also, he wasn’t terribly quiet). A new rule (no video games before 7 a.m.) was introduced. So, apparently, like mother like son (substituting video games for horseshows, obviously).

    • Ana Says:

      re: the thyroid, and TSH>3. I’m not sure about this, the most recent guidelines from AACE/ATA (from 2012) recommend using the lab’s normal range (or an average of 4.12 uIU/mL), though they admit there is controversy, and there are some who consider TSH 3-4.12 as elevated. In any case, they do not at all recommend treating, even if its >4.12, but following to see if anything more serious develops. So having a TSH > 3 does not make a DIAGNOSIS of hypothyroidism. On the other hand, many agree that on treatment, the goal TSH should be around 3, so maybe that’s what you read/heard?

      Click to access hypothyroidism_guidelines.pdf

      • bogart Says:

        Hi. No, what I had seen (and clearly I’m not fully up-to-date) was the 2003 press release available via the wayback machine, here: . It identifies 3.04 as the upper level (but note the language: “… AACE encourages doctors to consider treatment …”), but it sounds like they have (somewhat) reconsidered that (though I’d note too the language on p. e19 of the more recent document you link to. That said, it is clear that TSH rises as we age, so allowing for that the 3.04 may be too stringent for many of us. Still, I personally am inclined (based on personal experience) to think that a referral to a treatment-sympathetic endocrinologist is in order if one is symptomatic (fatigue, lethargy, infertility/pregnancy loss, high cholesterol being among the problems I know as linked to untreated hypothyroidism) if only to double-check (TSH not, of course, being the only test available, just the most common).

        Personally I “got” a diagnosis with a TSH *under* 3.0 (!) (it was 2.9) but high titres of antithyroid antibodies and a history of infertility (my son was conceived after I started treatment, so my enthusiasm is perhaps understandable). I do find that I feel much better when (a) treated and (b) TSH around 1.0 or certainly not above 2.0, and I do care about my symptomatic experience (i.e. “feeling better” counts), but at the same time I realize that is not a useful recommendation for testing/treating EVERYONE. I did recently go off my thyroid meds in a sort of “oh, let’s see” approach — now that I am not ttc I am less concerned about keeping my T4 levels up for reasons related to that and wondered about how I’d feel — but did in fact find that I felt worse (placebo effect?) and that my TSH went up to 5.0, so, in fact, symptomatic… (and back on meds). Obviously that’s just my experience, but I do believe that there’s a lot of underdiagnosed/treated hypothyroidism out there and that this is unfortunate, considering how easy it is to treat.

      • Ana Says:

        Yeah, there is a lot of controversy on this issue—I think from a screening the standpoint, the higher cut-offs make sense, but a good doctor should also take symptoms into account. And infertility is a big one. Also, with anti-thyroid antibodies, your risk for the condition worsening given a little time is way higher than someone without, so another reason to treat. I’ve known people with mild-ish TSH elevations to get treated for a few months and not feel any better, but as an experiment, its pretty harmless & if they DID end up feeling better, would’ve been awesome.

      • bogart Says:

        Yup, that’s pretty much it!

  8. Leigh Says:

    I’ve always naturally woken up early, so an alarm clock isn’t a necessity. I think I finally figured out the key to getting out of bed though: read anything on my phone except Google Reader before getting out of bed.

    I don’t set an alarm on weekends and usually wake up around 6-8 am. Back when I lived a < 5 minute walk from work, I used to not set an alarm on weekdays. But now I'm a much further walk away and I don't want to get to work too late, so an alarm does help. Some days, I set what I call a "ceiling alarm" in that it's for a time I really shouldn't sleep past and that lets me wake up earlier on my own terms.

  9. Ana Says:

    Well, I don’t set an alarm because I have a human alarm that shrieks consistently WAY before I’d ever want or need to wake up (average of 5:30). On the off days that he sleeps in (the latest EVER was 6:30), I’m grateful for the extra sleep & still have plenty of time. But no, I never naturally wake up before 7 AM on my own (and I’ve always had to get up before 7AM to get to work)

    • Ana Says:

      Oh and my thyroid is fine. As is yours, I suspect.

      • nicoleandmaggie Says:

        #2’s armchair diagnosis isn’t just about sleeping in and constant fatigue. There’s a lot of other more unusual symptoms that #1 has, but I will leave that for her to detail if she wants since it’s her body. It might not be thyroid, but it’s probably something to do with endocrine systems, according to my armchair non-medical diagnosis.

        Personally a lot of things clicked into place for me when I finally figured out what was wrong with me. Weird skin and hair problems, weight gain, depression, menstrual problems, and so on, all sorts of seemingly unrelated things had the same stem and the same solution and getting that solution was amazing [in my case, not thyroid]. And I’d been to doctors for bits and pieces since my teens but nobody put them all together until I was well into my 20s. I just kept being told there was nothing wrong with me, or it was a fungus even though the anti-fungal didn’t work, or it was stress, and so on.

      • Ana Says:

        OK I can’t figure out how to reply to your reply, but yes…I know what you mean about the weird symptoms going undiagnosed for a while. I was flat-out told I did NOT have PCO, until lo and behold I was infertile years later and was told I definitely did.

  10. Practical Parsimony Says:

    I have always needed an alarm if there was something to do. However, I despise the alarm so much that knowing it will go off causes me to wake up about a minute before it goes off, SOMETIMES. I am not reliable. When my son was about three months old, I had my only bout of depression when I thought, “I am going to have to get up at 5:30 every morning for the rest of my life.” I had about three days of feeling very hopeless. Of course, when he was older, I had to set an alarm to keep annoying him to get him up in the morning.

    When my daughter was in school, I had to make her get dressed in the den where I could see her from the kitchen sink and stove. I had to remind her to take off her socks, both of them, now, now, NOW! Then, I had to remind her to put them on, both of them, now, now, the other one, now, now, NOW! The younger girl slept 12 hours and had to be removed from the bed to wake her to go to school. As an adult (38), she still needs 12 hours sleep. All three need alarm clocks. And, all, like their mother are night owls. My girls still do not wake easily. The boy does awake fully functioning.

    I have never been able to walk in the morning, stumbling around for at least 30 minutes as I get ready. Ex asked me why I walked the way I did in the morning. I just do. It’s like I have no ankles and stump about. Having an infant in my arms frightened me so because I was afraid I would hit the head on a doorway as I went through. I had to turn the baby up so the head was not near a doorway.

    Exactly 7.5 hours is the sleep I need. If I sleep 6 hours, I need a nap and usually don’t get it. If I sleep 9 hours, I was probably exhausted. I must have an alarm.

    I never took a class before 1 pm because of a 2 hr drive to school, and waking up issues. I did take a Friday morning 4 hr physical science class that started at 8 am in one summer session because I wanted to take a full load. I do not do math well in the am. I wore the same one-piece outfit and the same little straw hat for one semester so I would only have one garment to put on and could just comb my hair and go. I made a B. grrr.

    I have to use white noise to sleep and wake up easily if anyone walks or turns on lights or noise. But, I have slept through and hour of the alarm going off. Caffeine was my friend in the morning until I started having horrible heart palpitation problems and got up all night to go to the bathroom.

    My thyroid function is low, even taking 75 mg of levothyroxine. I had half my thyroid removed due to a growth behind one half the thyroid, a growth that would have become cancerous. So, my physician wants to suppress my thyroid function. A discussion of that will happen at next visit. I think I need a larger dose!

    I do not have sleep apnea. Even when I have weeks of going to sleep easily with melatonin and waking up without an alarm clock and with nowhere to go, I am still groggy and stumbling about. It is not the melatonin because I have always been this way.

    Sleep alludes me without melatonin. Waking up on time without an alarm clock is not something I can do even after a good night’s sleep. So, it is not sleep deprivation. Most days, it takes me about two hours to actually be able to focus and walk without stumbling about. Driving makes me feel unsafe. Talking normally is impossible. Sentences? Answers? Give me about two hours and I will be coherent.

    I am with you on the disbelief. No alarm clock? Not ever in my house. My mental alarm clock never worked, broken right from the factory. Maybe we are normal and others have the problem.

  11. First Gen American Says:

    Perhaps you just need more hours of sleep. 8 hours is not enough for me. I average 9-9.5 and that is perfect for my crazy lifestyle. My body needs less sleep when I am sedentary but usually I need over 8 to feel rested. Spouse on the other hand needs 6.

    I don’t use an alarm unless I am in a different time zone or need to get up early for a flight.

    • nicoleandmaggie Says:

      I need about 9 to perform my best; 10 hours if I’ve been exercising. I can get by on 6 but that’s grim.

      • Flavia Says:

        Yep: I think this is true for me, too. I need about 9 hours, and I’m a nightowl, so though there are periods where I can get by without setting an alarm, those are periods where I don’t have morning commitments and it’s no big deal whether I awake at 9 or at 11. And I feel I need MORE sleep as I age, or at least the consequences for forgoing it are more dire.

  12. myscientificlife Says:

    I set an alarm everyday, including weekends. Otherwise I’ll sleep until 1 pm (even if I go to bed at 11ish the night before).

  13. rented life Says:

    If I have somewhere to be I have to use an alarm. If I don’t have an alarm for some reason I can usually get myself up at the time I need to get up–mental alarm clock of repeatedly saying “wake up at…” that night. I learned that from my dad who does the same when he doesn’t have an alarm clock to use. Generally though, I need a lot of sleep, I need natural light in the AM to feel like it’s worth getting up (I never had curtains as a kid. It was great), and I don’t want anyone to talk to me for an hour or more. I’m just not a morning person and I’m ok with that.

  14. oilandgarlic Says:

    It probably comes down to whether you’re more of a morning person or night owl? I can get up without an alarm but for me the difference is that I feel wide awake pretty quickly. If I sleep more hours than needed, I feel sluggish most of the day. And even though I can wake up without an alarm, I set one and make sure I get tea or coffee in the mornings!

  15. Dr. Virago Says:

    Me! I’m with you! Completely!

  16. Contingent Cassandra Says:

    I use a light alarm, and can usually time that so that I wake up before the sound alarm (which I also set on teaching mornings, just in case) goes off. I’m naturally pretty light sensitive (and have been since birth, my father, who was the parent on early-morning duty because my mother was *not* a morning person, tells me), and sleep in a room with a large southeast-facing window, so, unless I deliberately close the blinds (or it’s cloudy/raining), I tend to wake up with the sun (which, of course, means pretty early this time of year). I like the light alarm much better than a sound one; at least for me, it makes for more gradual (and hence less groggy) awakening. I also think there’s something in the whole business of waking at the right place in your sleep cycle; the light helps with that by not yanking you suddenly out of sleep, and I also — for the same reason, I suspect — often do better on 6 hours of sleep than on 7 if I can’t get 8 (which I suspect is actually c. 7.5 hours of sleep — 5 90-minute sleep cycles — plus some falling-asleep and waking-up time. I wonder whether some differences in need for amount of sleep don’t reflect different-length sleep cycles?).

    I also have trouble getting up If I don’t really want to do what I’m supposed to do that day.

    • Contingent Cassandra Says:

      I also wonder whether people with somewhat nonstandard sleep patterns may gravitate to academia partly because academic schedules tend to allow a bit more flexibility in this area (at least in some fields; others, I realize, require you to be in the lab on a pretty regular schedule, though I suspect that at least the more senior researchers may have some control over what that schedule is).

  17. plantingourpennies Says:

    I can loan you Kitty PoP. Start feeding him whenever you want your alarm to go off and he’ll come in and bother you for food 20 minutes prior to that. =)

    • nicoleandmaggie Says:

      #2 first tried a watergun to solve that problem, but big kitty got good at sticking her head around the door, yowling, and ducking out of the way. What actually worked was getting an automatic catfood dispenser on a timer. “We don’t feed you anymore, big kitty, GO AWAY.” Eventually it worked.

      • Linda Says:

        You could also get a dog. Hearing the dog pace and whine in the morning is quite a motivator to get out of bed.

  18. Linda Says:

    I used to be a night owl. Then I started working a corporate job, and over the past 25 years my body has been re-trained. I now am a morning person. I tend to rouse with the sunrise, which means that at this time of year I wake around 5:30 AM. If I don’t have to get up (for work or some other appointment) then I can usually drowse in bed for an hour or two, but I rarely enter a deep sleep or stay in bed past 8 AM. On the flip side, I usually go to bed by 10 PM, and sometimes as early as 9 PM. Also, it’s really hard to get up in the morning during winter when the sun doesn’t come up until 7 AM or later. That’s the bad part of being sensitive to light cycles.

    If you can stand yet another comment about thyroid function, realize that TSH — which is the test most doctors and lay people think of as the main test reflecting thyroid function — has it’s flaws. Thyroid stimulating hormone is produced by the pituitary gland. It is assumed (and I stress ASSUMED) that if one needs more “thyroid hormone” for normal functioning, then the TSH will be elevated (and there have already been some comments about the acceptable numerical ranges which indicate an elevated or insufficient amount of TSH, or hypothyroid condition). TSH is released by the pituitary gland to stimulate the thyroid gland to produce and release T4 and T3 into the bloodstream. However, there are NO tests available to measure the conversion efficiency of T4 (the storage version of thyroid hormone) to T3 (the only form which cells can use for energy.) So, if conversion isn’t occurring efficiently or at all, a person could have a TSH in the “normal” level and still feel horrible. My doctor routinely runs these tests for my thyroid function: TSH, free T3, and free T4. The “free” tests measure how much T4 and T3 is circulating in my bloodstream. It’s an important test because if my T3 is too high, then it could be bad for my bone and heart health.

    BUT, my doc also places a very high value on my clinical symptoms. I was a wreck before I started medication for hypothyroidism with a prescription drug that provides both T4 and T3 (thank you to the pigs that provide the natural desiccated thyroid or NDT that I need to feel functional!). I had fatigue, brain fog, and joint pain so bad that I couldn’t successfully complete a mild 30-minute work out at the gym, couldn’t focus on anything, and walked around as if I was hobbled. It sucked to be me, big time. I feel my best when my TSH is near 1, although right now it’s around 2 and I’m doing OK. I’m not sure that TSH is a very accurate indication of my health, however. More tellingly, I don’t have brain fog or joint pain.

    Other things that had/have an impact on my energy levels are my B-12 level and my vitamin D level. A few years ago, levels of both of these vitamins in my body were as low as they could get. (Yes, my blood tests showed me at the lowest end of the scale.) I now supplement with vitamin D orally and have to inject B-12 every week or two. (I can’t seem to absorb it from food, oral supplements, or sub-lingually.) Has #1 had her B-12 checked lately?

    Soooo…it’s very likely that you’re struggling to get up in the morning because you’re not a morning person. But, you should really look into some of these other things because feeling so tired in the afternoon that you are driving drowsy is really not normal. And if you’d like to get a bit more of an earful of me questioning why it is OK for docs to prescribe SSRIs for feeling fatigued and unwell, yet not OK for a doc to prescribe a prescription to address a hormonal condition, then check out the posts with a “thyroid” tag on my blog.

    • nicoleandmaggie Says:

      Oooh excellent. I am already loving my Lexapro for anxiety, and have been since I moved here, but obviously it is not helpful for fatigue. I’m not depressed, just weary. (ha)

      • Linda Says:

        I took Paxil for my panic attacks/anxiety issues for just over a year. It definitely helped, but the “sexual side effects” were a real bummer. I was prescribed Lexapro a few years later for symptoms of depression. I stopped it as soon as possible, though, since it wasn’t helping and was making me gain weight. I specifically told the internal med doc I had at the time that I didn’t want to take anything with “sexual side effects” so instead I was given Lexapro; I ended up being one of those people for whom it was “weight positive.” (What is it with all these euphemisms around drugs! Why not just say stuff like “Makes orgasm impossible” or “Makes you gain weight.”) When I started having lots of anxiety again while going through my divorce, I emphatically declined any SSRI since in my personal experience they either made me non-functioning sexually or fat; neither sounded like a way to help me through a difficult period in my life! Instead, I gladly took some low dose Klonopin when my anxiety levels were ratcheted up, and Xanax when they were unbearable. Happily I haven’t had to take any anti-anxiety med in a few years. My BF takes an SSRI every day because he has depression, so it seems to work for him. Glad it’s working for you, too.

  19. Rosa Says:

    I’m a morning person; if i’m not tragically sleep deprived, I wake up just after dawn. Child is like that also – we put blackout curtains in his room.

    I think along with doctor stuff you should take a week vacation with no scheduled activities, eat, exercise & sleep whenever you want, and see if that fixes it ;)

    • nicoleandmaggie Says:

      It doesn’t fix it. Summer helps, though! I sleep a LOT and when I can do that, I feel much more ready to start the school year.

      Morning people baffle me on a very deep level.

  20. Mr. Bonner Says:

    My wife and I are opposites when it comes to sleep. I’m more of a night person and she’s a morning person. Since having kids I’m not just more of a tired night person that still stays up later than I should and is FORCED to get up early :)

    There’s an interesting device I read about a couple years ago that is making its way mainstream. Many professional athletes including Tour de France teams have optimized workouts and recovery periods and now they’re looking to optimize the sleeping portion of recovery. A device that’s become popular is the Zeo Sleep Manager from Digifit ( I thought about getting one a while back because I’d be really interested in the results and recommendations to optimize sleep plus there’s a rad function where it can wake you up in the optimal range of your sleep cycle, so you aren’t so groggy. If your sleeping patterns or morning grogginess really bother you it might be worth checking out. All the best!

  21. becca Says:

    If it makes you feel any better, I generally require an alarm clock. Also, I live with Carebear- who owns, but virtually never sets, an alarm clock… and from careful observation, I can confirm that at least ONE of those people who thinks they can get up without an alarm clock is a liar. Granted, he’s deluding himself first, so it’s not like it’s an intentional lie.
    Mechanically, I don’t think people can generally tell time when they sleep. I think instead they sleep for ~1.5 hour cycles, and they periodically check a clock or the sun in their “vaguely awake but will not remember consciously” state. Some people are better at rolling over and going back to sleep in between cycles, and they don’t have the opportunity to assess the time during those intevals.

    On another note, I suspect there’s a lot of deludedness around this topic- for reasons I can’t quite fathom, some people confuse circadian rhythms with character virtues/vices. For example, I conflate a self-described “morning person” with “lying liar of lies”, unless they drink no caffeine and go to bed by sundown.

  22. MutantSupermodel Says:

    Funny enough, I’ve been paying attention to my sleeping habits lately. So much so, that I even downloaded an app to track it (Sleep as Android). What I am noticing is that I am waking up at the right time but without the alarm clock, I will choose to stay in bed and doze some more. I am realizing that it’s not so much that i hate waking up it’s that I hate getting out of bed.

  23. Revanche Says:

    “Why does that work? Why? How can you tell time when you’re asleep?”

    This is what I need to know. I have been known to wake up after 5 or 6 (or insert other totally random numbers) hours of sleep but not on purpose, pretty much never at a convenient time where I might as well get up but the few times that happened, my body said: uh no, consciousness sure, but actually getting up? Not happening.

    Back a few years ago, I started waking up about 10 minutes before my alarm was set because I kept a very strict sleep by 10, up by 615 schedule, but that really didn’t last long. Pretty sure that was happenstance…Otherwise, the fibro fatigue has taken over my life in so many ways and waking up is one of the victims :)

  24. phd me Says:

    I am absolutely with you. Eight hours of sleep is technically enough for me but I don’t pop out of bed when I hit eight hours; without an alarm, I could practically stay in bed all day. I would LOVE to not need an alarm clock or, at the least, to get out of bed in the morning without feeling like one of the undead.

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