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Delagar with an early and brief summary of the impeachment hearings. And, because sometimes people need pictures, she also posted a comic.

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16 Responses to “Link Love”

  1. delagar Says:

    Thanks for the link!

    And yeah, Chik-Fil-Hate ain’t fooling anyone in our house.

    • Debbie M Says:

      I would like to know more about the Chick-Fil-A controversy. Here is where my knowledge has been over the years.
      * First – Wow, they are so dedicated to their religious morals that they are closed on Sundays. That’s got to be costing them money. So I respect that. Also, the secret to their lemonaid deliciousness is that it is made with lemon juice, water, and sugar. No garbage.
      * Later – Yikes–they’re funding de-gayification torture. Okay screw that. I mean it’s one thing to have different beliefs from me (I’m an atheist-leaning agnostic), but quite another to torture people, even in a misguided attempt to help them get to heaven. Not something I want to help fund.
      * Recently – they’ve decided to stop funding anti-gay charities, but one of them was the Salvation Army. Is there something I don’t know about the Salvation Army? (Of course they are claiming they actually help more gay folks than most other charities, if for no other reason than that they’re gigantic.) Neither of these seem like the de-gayification place. Then I heard they stopped funding that one already, years ago.
      * Then a bunch of Christians decided to boycott them for stopping this funding.
      * Now they’re backtracking.

      So how bad are these charities? Do the anti-gay beliefs of these charities infiltrate their work? Also, is Chick-Fil-A a bad place for gay people to work? (I mean worse than for other people? Though at least they pay more than minimum wage.)

      I promise I’m not trolling here. I’m truly ignorant and want to know and haven’t been able to find the answers I want the normal way. Yikes people are extreme. But I know you guys (Grumpy Rumblers and commenters) are only extreme about caring and decency and truth, and so I thought I’d ask.

      • nicoleandmaggie Says:

        This will take some investigation but I’m pretty sure they funded CA anti gay marriage ads. Though I get chick fil a and hobby lobby mixed up sometimes. Look for this in a future ask the grumpies.

      • nicoleandmaggie Says:

        P.s. once when one of our kids was still in diapers someone fed hir chick fil a and I have never smelled a more disgusting poo. That stuff just should not be eaten.

      • teresa Says:

        The impeachment summary cracked me up.

        Chik fil a has been/still is openly opposed to marriage equality. As far as the organizations they are not contracting with anymore:

        The fellowship of christian athletes requires members to pledge that they will not “engage in homosexual activity.” Which is pretty openly discriminatory.

        Salvation Army is openly a fairly conservative evangelical christian organization. They hold the position that it’s not sinful to *be* lqbtq+ but it is unacceptable to *act* on it (or have anything but heterosexual married sex) and also opposed marriage equality. Telling a group that they don’t deserve a full human life and basic civil rights is maybe not the same kind of overt torture as conversion therapy but it’s still not okay.
        It seems like in recent years they took down the formal position page on their website that explicitly states this but have not made any statement about changing their beliefs. Their more recent statements are along the lines of “wellllll we love all sinners so we also provide charity to people even though they’re lgbtq+” and formal statements that they “don’t lobby to roll back marriage equality because we don’t employ lobbyists” and extend benefits to employees’ same sex spouses “because the law says we have to right now.” People have also still reported being turned away or discriminated against at Salvation Army facilities for being trans (apparently with the excuse that it makes other clients uncomfortable to have a trans person around).
        It’s not the issue under discussion but they’re also still openly anti choice.
        There’s probably more nuance I don’t know.

      • delagar Says:

        They have also donate to Focus on the Family, the Family Research Council, and Exodus International, all of which are anti-LGBTQ groups. They’ve promised before to stop donating to anti-LGBTQ groups, and then backtracked and resumed donating.

        Vox has a pretty good article, here: https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/5/29/18644354/chick-fil-a-anti-gay-donations-homophobia-dan-cathy

        And an older one here: https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/3/21/18275850/chick-fil-a-anti-lgbtq-donations

      • Debbie M Says:

        Ooh, future ask the Grumpies! Thanks!

        I’m also surprised about the smelly poo. Unlike most fast food, their chicken sandwiches are made with recognizable pieces of chicken. So ignorant! Need help! Thanks!

      • nicoleandmaggie Says:

        My department has sometimes gotten it catered and it does not seem to be any better quality than KFC (though I have not had either in over a decade, other than a leftover salad from an event that tasted like hate that I still feel guilty about eating but a job candidate accidentally ate the lunch I ordered for myself from a local place and I had no other options. The current student workers are more woke on lgbt issues.)

      • teresa Says:

        Ah, I found a lot of mentions of “close ties” to focus on the family and family research council (very much hate groups) but couldn’t find specifics. Although lots of posts *by* those groups talking about what wonderful values chick fil a has, which is kinda damning in itself.

      • Debbie M Says:

        PS, Thanks also to theresa for her great answers to my question.

  2. Debbie M Says:

    Thanks for the additional links. The second Vox article explains that they already promised in 2012 to stop donating to anti-gay causes, but in 2017 were found to have donated “$1,653,416 to the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, a religious organization that requires its employees to refrain from “homosexual acts”; $150,000 to the Salvation Army, which has been accused of anti-LGBTQ discrimination and advocacy for years and whose media relations director once claimed gay people “deserve death”; and $6,000 to the Paul Anderson Youth Home, a Christian residential home that teaches young boys that same-sex marriage is a “rage against Jesus Christ and His values.”” This is still better than charities that are all about being against gay rights (like the previous recipients “the Marriage & Family Foundation, the Georgia Family Council, and Exodus International, a group that promotes conversion therapy.” I can’t read the Business Insider article because I have adblock on and am not a subscriber, but if they’re still donating to Family Research Council, which seems to be all about promoting controversial extremist political issues, (and I can’t tell if it’s just a franchise or the main company making this donation), then that means they’re also lying, which is not a Christian value. So that donation and the lying would keep me away. But if it’s just that hate groups support Chick-Fil-A, that wouldn’t keep me away. (Actually, I’m not really into fast-food chicken, and my boyfriend prefers the double-decker fried chicken at our local bowling alley of all places, but I would like to make factual contributions to discussions.)

    • nicoleandmaggie Says:

      Family Research Council was 2012. I read some tweets saying the owners still donate individually, but not the corporation—don’t know how true that is. I still think the FCA and youth home are good enough reasons to boycott. There are plenty of decent organizations to donate to that don’t have hate as part of their mission. There’s zero reason for a corporation to pick the ones that do… unless they want to fund hate, or keep lgbt folks from getting benefits.

      • Debbie M Says:

        True, but it seems the company has stopped donating to them. They are saying they want to help kids and fight poverty. I agree that some of their past donations were horrific. I’m wondering if there current donations still are.

      • nicoleandmaggie Says:

        No—that’s the thing, they SAID they would stop (and they want to help kids etc) and then *the next day* after getting a ton of positive news coverage they backtracked. (See the second story above.). Also in 2012 they said they would stop entirely, and yet, they really didn’t, they just chose organizations for whom hate was one of a few goals instead of the only goal.

      • Debbie M Says:

        Right, okay the backtracking is indefensible. And thank you for pointing out that hate is still part of the missions of these organizations to whom they will continue donating after all.


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