Ask the Grumpies: Dollar Cost Averaging

First Gen American asks:

I’ve been sitting on too much cash for almost a year now. (I had 2 pension payouts among other things and it’s still not invested). Market has scared me and being very close to my magic retirement number I am much more gun shy now and I know it’s something I need to address….or do I? I think dollar cost averaging is the answer as that is why I didn’t invest when everything was 18000 because I don’t think at the time It was the bottom. It dropped more in 2008…but everyone says finding the bottom or top of the market is near impossible.

We are not professional financial advisors.  Please do your own research or listen to a fee-only financial planner with fiduciary responsibility (Not Edward Jones!) before making any important investing decisions.  #Disclaimer #pleasedontsueus

Walter Updegrave, who is one of my favorite professional popular personal finance peeps says that you should just invest the lump sum all at once in the asset allocation that you want.

This is retirement money.  Even if you start drawing on your retirement money in 10 years, you’re not going to be drawing down all of it for decades yet.  That means that the long term is what’s important, not the short term.  And by delaying, you are missing out on market ups, not just the market downs.  It is extremely unlikely that you will accidentally put money in at a 10 year peak.  Most likely, even if you put it in during a peak,

Remember, without a working crystal ball, you cannot optimize the market.  You can only get a good expected value.  You can only mitigate risk.  By the time you need this money, the market will have gone up, and it will have gone up more than leaving it in your 0.5% savings account.  On average, according to Updegrave, you’re better off putting the money into the market/bonds in a lump sum than you are dollar cost averaging.  In simulations, dollar cost averaging wasn’t even close to lump sum, assuming that your lump sum took into account your stock/bond mix.  The trick is that you diversify with market allocation, not just market timing.  That is, when stocks are doing well, bonds aren’t as attractive and when stocks aren’t doing well, bonds are more attractive.  Market allocation is something you can specify, but you cannot time the market itself.

So, bottom line, decide on your overall stock/bond allocation and use these lump sums to get your money into those percentages.  That’ll help you rebalance too!  Which is another thing that you can control better than you can control market timing.  You may also be able to save some on fees with a lump sum depending on how your brokerage works (if it’s a flat fee vs. %).

The one exception is if you are putting off doing lump sum investing because you’re trying to time the market.  If you just keep putting it off, then for goodness sakes, some of that money in the market is better than none, so dollar cost average it.  Basically, if you have a lump sum:  lump sum > dollar cost averaging > putting off putting a lump sum in.  If dollar cost averaging helps you actually take the plunge, then set it up!  Otherwise, just put that lump in today!

19 Responses to “Ask the Grumpies: Dollar Cost Averaging”

  1. revanche @ a gai shan life Says:

    Yep I restarted weekly deposits because I’m having trouble forcing myself to just put the lump sum in already. It irritates me that I can’t just do the thing but I’ve been gunshy about accidentally overcommitting because what if we suddenly need more than one year of cash on hand? That question is a whole slippery slope, though.

    • First Gen American Says:

      It makes me feel better that I am not the only one with this problem. After all, I’ve kept investing this whole time from my paycheck and that’s done fine, but when you’re talking about 6 figure numbers it just all seems a lot scarier to buy back in.

      I know this makes no logical sense but yet here I am.

  2. Omdg Says:

    We are in this position now and it will only get worse once we sell our house next week (knock on wood). Would love to have the $$ invested, but then I worry what will happen if the market tanks and we want to buy a house but now our down payment is gone. Hoping to buy in the next 1-2 years. I feel completely paralyzed with this decision. My husband, who would prefer to keep all our money in a mattress, is not helpful.

    • nicoleandmaggie Says:

      Yeah, don’t put money in stocks if you want it out within 5 years. With current interest rates so low it might not even be worth setting up a cd, so it’s not crazy to park the money in an online savings account while you house hunt.

  3. Foscavista Says:

    Just curious: Did you have a bad experience with Edward Jones?

    • nicoleandmaggie Says:

      No! But they are enormous scam artists. They are notorious for putting people into high cost actively managed funds that are difficult to get out of.

      DH’s teeny tiny town has TWO Edward Jones offices (but only one McDonald’s). They can afford to do that because they are so predatory.

      My FIL discovered when he retired (after I’d been bugging him to look into it for years) that he would save $10,000/year (PER YEAR!) in fees moving all of his retirement savings from Edward Jones to Vanguard index funds. That’s THREE online classes my MIL no longer had to teach. His EJ guy had been donating $300/year to a charity my FIL supports on his behalf, but now FIL does that himself.

    • nicoleandmaggie Says:

      Here’s a link from Reddit about why they’re disliked so much.

      Here’s Bogleheads.

  4. mnitabach Says:

    Sounds like just putting all one’s money into appropriate target date fund would be consistent with your advice?

  5. Linda Says:

    I was at my last job for nearly 20 years and had to decide what to do with the pension I had earned during that time. My choices were to leave it in the pension, cash it out and pay taxes on the amount, or to cash it out and roll it over into an IRA. I did the latter and put it into a target date fund.

      • First Gen American Says:

        My pension payout was at the end of January, right before the market went into free fall. I already knew about COVID because I worked with China a lot. My spidey senses told me to wait and I was glad I did at the time. It was one less thing to worry about. It would have really hurt seeing my investments fall by over 30% right after putting a big chunk of new money in.

        I think as I analyze this mentally, it has more and more to do with 2008. I lost a lot of money then because I was heavily weighted in my company’s stock (it was the only option for a long time for our 401K contributions). This stock crashed even worse than the rest of the market. I recovered eventually, but it hurt. It hurt so bad. Our company was sold and was able to diversify out of it completely in 2009 and put it in a total stock market fund and that was the right move but that stock (GE) never did recover.

  6. Debbie M Says:

    I just want to add that the market was in a huge bubble in 1995. Yet stocks continued doubling, and the market didn’t crash until 1999. Pulling out in 1995 would not have been the right move, and there’s no way I would ever have guessed that at the time. Now I *know* that I have no clue. Except I do keep rebalancing (which may also be stupid, who knows?).

    • First Gen American Says:

      Yes…and this is partly why I am waffling. Many of the metrics vs the market defy logic, There are many supply chain disruptions due to COVID, many employers are still laying people off, small businesses are going under left and right, yet here we are at a new high. On the flip side, house sales are up, Home Depot and Walmart are always packed. The people who do still have jobs must be funneling all that travel money to home stuff and pools. My pool mfg customers are having a great year as is the whole sporting segment.

      I am definitely trying to overthink this.

  7. Money & Life Report: January 2021 « A Gai Shan Life Says:

    […] Investing those accounts but seriously struggle to do that with any other larger amounts of money. First Gen American and I share this problem. I know that over time, LSI does better, but even when I’ve got a lump sum to deposit, […]


Leave a comment

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.